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billw



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

using Carnoustie 2007 #1891

To all,

Course is baked out. They say 100 yds roll on tee shots.

Greens are slow and receptive.

I played a practice round at B F(C) F(C) I would consider these greens to be mod friendly.

To duplicate the fast conditions, I think F(C) F(C) is the way to go.

What do you all think?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

I agree Bill. The greens are pretty flat. Playable at that speed.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:06 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

Previously someone had posted stimpmeter readings for all combination of conditions. F/c F/c is listed at 18. Not sure if I believe that, but if it's accurate there's no way the greens at the Open will be at that speed. They are usually slower than the average PGA tour speeds, more like 11.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:05 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

mashie wrote:
Previously someone had posted stimpmeter readings for all combination of conditions. F/c F/c is listed at 18. Not sure if I believe that, but if it's accurate there's no way the greens at the Open will be at that speed. They are usually slower than the average PGA tour speeds, more like 11.


MODERATE / MED (CH) 10
SOFT (CH) / MED (CH) 10
MOD(CH) / SLOW (CH) 10
FIRM / MEDIUM (CH) 11.5
MOD(CH) / MEDIUM (CH) 11.5
FIRM (CH) / SLOW (CH) 11.5
SOFT (CH) / FAST (CH) 12
MODERATE / FAST (CH) 13
FIRM / FAST (CH) 15.5

FIRM (CH) / MED(CH) 15.5
MOD(CH) / FAST (CH) 16.5
FIRM (CH) / FAST (CH) 18

On the European Tour I run over at LSPN, I am using the conditions in Bold in the order they appear in the list. I.m hoping 15.5 isn't too much Whistle


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billw



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:08 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

mashie and pmgolf,

It's a shame that the fairway hardness and the green speed are combined into one. These Open conditions are impossible to duplicate. Maybe F(C) M(C) is the way to go as a compromise.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:12 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

You're right Bill, wish they could be set differently. I think the conditions that Steve has listed look about right.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:11 am    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

There are people who believe that Links has perfectly captured real-life stimp speed. I have my doubts. I think F Fc or Fc Mc would approximate 11 to 12 Stimp, but I'll admit I could be wrong. Probably not by much, though.

I've heard golf commentators describe stimp 15 greens as like putting on a glass tabletop. That's the way I feel with Fc Fc. I've never heard anyone mention stimp 18 greens.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:35 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

Bill, perhaps at the links players discretion, play up at tee to make the drives more fitting to the playing conditions. I guess Rickey hit a 432yd drive yesterday.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:32 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

I do have the stimp chart.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

Thursday Pin Locations

Front 9: 1,1,12,5,0,4,1,8,15,
Back 9: 16,3,15,1,14,15,10,8,1

No Tee info

Partly Cloudy 65*, wind 6 mph

My Conditions: N F(C) S(C) (stimp 11.5)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:15 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

I was really surprised that -5 was leading when I came home from work. -5 was leading at 6AM EST. With the conditions, I thought these guys would tear this place up.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:18 am    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

Was I wrong. LOL

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:23 am    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

Friday Pin LOcations

Front 9: 10,15,9,4,14,3,3,12,1
Back 9: 13,2,2,9,17,3,0,16,13

No Tee Info

Rain and Overcast 62*, wind 9 mph

My Conditions: B M(C) S(C) (stimp 10)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:07 pm    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

Saturday Pin Locations

Front 9: 0,2,3,9,2,13,17,7,0
Back 9: 6,1,11,0,0,2,13,1,3

No Tee Info Today

Cloudy 62*, wind 8 mph

My Conditions: B F(C) S(C)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:05 am    Post subject: Open Championship Pin Locations Reply with quote

Sunday Pin Locations

Front 9: 12,16,0,10,13,2,1,1,2
Back 9: 7,9,12,3,3,16,3,3,14

No Tee Info Today

Overcast 66*, wind 12 mph , gusts 25 mph

My Conditions: G F(C) S(C)

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